Matt Stoller is straight out lying

I am all in favor of substantive debates on issues. I don't think any candidate should get anything like a free pass from substance, stictly on the basis of electability, charisma, whatever. But what really gets my goat are abusive, factless mischaracterizations of what our leaders say and stand for, especially when used to mislead the netroots community into believing that Democrats are something worse than what they really are.

Matt Stoller's frontpage lies about Barack Obama are something I thought I'd only see on GOP blogs. He offers readers the opportunity to criticize Obama not on what he really said (available here: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/f pccga/ )
but rather on a made-up Matt synopsis:

"Isolationists are bad, we need a bigger military, some troops should stay in Iraq to fight Al Qaeda, and we have to deal with loose Russian nukes, pandemics, global warming, all through corporate channels.  Also, 9/11 changed everything, trade agreements are complicated, Iraq was a dumb war.  Oops, our bad, can we get a do-over?  Kissinger told me we could."

That's what Stoller says Obama is saying. As anyone who has read the speech can attest, it's just an utter lie.

Allow me to break it down:
The first half is basically right: 'Isolationists... we have to deal with ... global warming,' are all elements of Obama's speech, and good for him - that's what a substantial foreign policy speech should be all about.

Then Stoller starts lying:
'all through corporate channels.' Where, exactly, Matt, does Obama say we should deal with Russian nukes through corporate channels? Huh? Or pandemic viruses? If my memory serves ("The United States should not leave the solution to private philanthropies" kinda sounds like the opposite, in fact), he actually says we should deal with those things through diplomacy, interational institutions, and multi-lateralism.

As for global warming, he also never says we should deal with it through a 'corporate channel'. Rather, he suggests a three-pronged approach: a cap-and-trade system on existing carbon emissions, raised fuel efficiency standards, and investment in alternative energies (specifically biofuels). What's so corporate about that? Cap and trade? Honestly, is there anything really so bad about cap and trade if it's part of a broader energy policy? I mean, we do live in a capitalist economy (sorry about that, Matt), so we may as well use captialism a little bit in our favor, right?

Which brings me to lie number 2: lies of omission. Stoller picks and chooses which parts of Obama's plans to reference (I assume that 'corporate channels' for nukes, pandemics, and global warming was all an allusion to the cap-and-trade sentence, since nothing else comes close to being corporate), and omits the ones which he knows progressives will appreciate (fuel efficiency, supporting the UN, World Bank, diplomacy with Russia, etc.).

Moving on to more lies:
'Also, 9/11 changed everything, trade agreements are complicated, Iraq was a dumb war.'

As a New Yorker, let me just say that 9/11 WAS kinda important, and Matt can fuck off and die if he thinks it was no big deal. Oh, and Obama DIDN'T use the Bush line '9/11 changed everything' - in fact, he makes reference to the 'horrific attacks' as an entre to attacking Bush's squandering of our international support after 9/11. Sorta different from what Stoller implies, eh?

As for trade agreements, this is where Obama has gotten the most heat for this speech, which is astonishing when you consider that he only makes one reference to trade agreements, and here it is:
"We cannot negotiate trade agreements to help spur development in poor countries so long as we provide no meaningful help to working Americans burdened by the dislocations of a global economy."  THAT'S IT! Can you believe it, that's the supposed pro-corporate free-trade agenda that Obama supposedly has. And I'm not sure where in there Stoller finds Obama suggesting that trade agreements are 'complicated'. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Maybe it's not as anti-trade as some would like, and I know that the socialists won't appreciate it, but it's not exactly a Wall Street talking point, now is it?

As for Iraq being a stupid war, well it was, but that's hardly a worthwhile synopsis of the 6 paragraphs of Obama's speech devoted to how bad the war has been for America and why we must end it.

And now the final two lies in Stoller's synopsis:
'Oops, our bad, can we get a do-over?  Kissinger told me we could.'

Well, as you probably expect by now, he doesn't say anything like that. The fact that he opposed the war in the first place probably negates any chance that he'd like a 'do-over' - he'd rather we didn't invade at all. Clinton's the only Dem in the 'do-over' camp right now.

As for Kissinger, Obama simply doesn't reference Kissinger at all with regard to Iraq, diplomacy, wars, or anything of the sort. He references Kissinger in a seperate part of the speech in a list of past Secretaries of State, Defense, and others who have said that our current programs for preventing nuclear proliferation are "simply not adequate to the danger. " What the hell does that have to do with Iraq?

Nothing, of course, unless you're in Matt Stoller's perverted mind.

Update: Reading through the comments, which I've participated in, it seems that the general sentiment is along the lines of 'well, Matt was being somewhat dishonest about Obama, but you are being too rude in response'. And, upon consideration, I think that may be true. Sorry - I'll try real hard in the future to cut Matt and everyone else a bit more slack for diaries and comments I find objectionable. There is very little that gets me this worked up, and really it's only baseless attacks on Democrats that can piss me off nearly this much. But I'm also somewhat glad that I let rip with both barrels this one time, even if I went a bit far - if it's vitriol that draws people's attention to the lies being posted on the frontpage, then maybe it was worth it just this once.

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Re: Matt Stoller is straight out lying (3.00 / 0)

I think you'd be wise to change the incendiary title and get rid of your poll.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:40:46 PM EST

Vox talking etiquitte (none / 0)

never thought I'd see that :)


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:55:19 PM EST
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you've heard that one before VP? (none / 0)

:)


by faithfull on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:56:54 PM EST
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I don't like the poll (3.00 / 1)

I totally disagree with Matt on this one, and on a lot of his posts (particularly regarding Obama), but I believe all of the MyDD frontpagers are incredibly skilled and valuable writers and contributors to the national dialouge. You did a great job on the diary, but the poll is a little much for me.


by faithfull on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:48:02 PM EST

woah (3.00 / 1)

C'mon James...

Matt can fuck off and die if he thinks it was no big deal


by faithfull on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 02:52:55 PM EST

Re: woah (3.00 / 1)

This goes way too far.

If you had a point here james, this loses it for you


by okamichan13 on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:34:29 PM EST
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by clarkent on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:06:59 PM EST

Re: Matt Stoller is straight out lying (3.00 / 2)

We can call Matt out for being intellectual dishonest (I think he believes what he wrote, making it not a lie) without hating him.  You reference an 11th commandment then directly violate it.  Yes, it was an awful post.  Yes, he has made them before.  Yes, he will make them again.  Show him how bad his posts are in the comments, don't take them lying down, but don't do this.  You give Obama supporters on this site a bad name.


by Obama08 on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:07:19 PM EST

Matt is just pointing out the obvious.. (1.20 / 5)

OBAMA IS  NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT!!  Maybe after he actually gets some experience, but certainly not now.  He has done NOTHING.  He has never run a thing -- other than his mouth.  He's never even been in a tough election campaign.  He for all intents and purposes ran unopposed for Senate.

Obama is this years Howard Dean.  When the primaries come he'll be gone FAST...


by MaryGallan on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:13:17 PM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller is straight out lying (2.00 / 0)

You are surprised at Matt speaking on a position without confirming details?   The credo of a good, "inspirational" blogger is to get the jump on the other bloggers and speak on a position before others do.  Remember, it is 7/24/365 to beat others to the punch on topics to lead the memes across the blogosphere.

Hey, I got a side bet: is Matt vying for a position with the Hillary Campaign?  Oh, this opinion is all without researching his stance on Hillary or Edwards or anyone else...


by sdickert on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 01:29:54 AM EST
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Re: Matt Stoller is straight out lying (none / 0)

I'm a big Obama supporter and I disagree with Stoller and most of the front pagers on a wide variety of issues (particular when it comes to my candidate of choice).  There are good points here, but they are definitely lost in the incendiary nature of the diary.  I'm not offended by much, but I would say that, at a minimum, the poll is in bad taste.


by LPMandrake on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 03:11:17 PM EST

Change your title, please (none / 0)

I agree with many of your points, but calling Matt Stoller a "liar" is not accomplishing anything.  


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 06:58:28 PM EST

Re: Matt Stoller is straight out lying (none / 0)

I don't think it is dishonest to post your interpretation even if that interpretation is factually incorrect.

"Matt Stoller has preexisting biases that render him unable to factually judge Obama" would be more accurate.


by sterra on Tue Apr 24, 2007 at 08:42:14 PM EST


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